The day that the warriors of the Zulu Kingdom defeated a modern British army.
25 thoughts on “Isandlwana – Zulu Battlefield”
tariq – your mouth betrays you… it (and you) are no longer welcome with such words.
Thank you For replying; You’re very eloquent.
Cheers!
Valkyrie Ziege Mourne
thats a dam lie. if the numbers were even, with the same weapons, the british would have been destroyed rather easily
shut your mouth bitch
yes indeed…
Thank You For Posting; Right, sort this one out; the Africans, Asians, India, and the Middle East beat, and terrorized British colonialists out of their home-lands, to gain ‘home-rule’, only to desert their ‘home-rule-home-lands’, to then invade the entire archipelago of Britain, to terrorize, beat-up, and rape the people they despise, the British people. Africans, Asians, India, and the Middle East is Hypocrites.
Cheers!
Valkyrie Ziege Mourne
Its amazing how a tribal culture could defeat the greatest nation in the world in a battle.
Zulus won the battle but were annihilated in the end. Ultimately, good men on both sides died – as is in all wars.
spear chuckers…
Don’t need to go to Africa to se that kind of thing. Did you go to New Orleans, during/after the hurricane? There’s a sub-class in the USA too.
“Change in what way? Bad?” Hopefully NOT! Even as a lad I’d traveled about, seen the good and the bad. But going to Africa made me see things … differently. It changed how I saw my place in the world, I guess. You can say it was just me being an American teenager in a war zone in a country where only a minority had a vote. But I’ve heard others say Africa changed them, too.
Powerful experience? Oh my, yes.
Why is that a “but”? Change in what way? Bad?
I have never been to Africa – but Isandlwana, in particular, will, I imagine, be a very powerful experience
“Anyhow, have you ever been to Isandlwana?” I’ve never been to South Arica. I lived in (what was then) Rhodesia for a short time, but never traveled south. I would love to tour the old battlefields. Some day, perhaps. But you can not visit Africa without it changing you.
Agreed. Anyhow, have you ever been to Isandlwana? I have not. I would love to go, but need to save up first!
Please explain how he died for his country
“Carl sounds like a decent chap – but another tragedy.” Back in ’95, I attended a dinner with Carl, Rex T. Barber (another name to look up) and 4 other Oregon aces — how lucky is that for a history geek? I asked Carl what made a hero. He said a hero was just someone who was where he was supposed to be with his guns loaded. That was why I thought of him when you said “wrong place, wrong time.”
There’s a difference between protecting your house and family and leaving both for your country, yes?
Hello.
The poster annoyed me because he tried to romanticise a botched break-in that lead to a murder as somehow “dying for Natal” as if this kind man willingly laid down his life for his country. Yes, no doubt he was protecting his family, which is noble and understandable. But that’s very different from an intangible “dying for Natal”. Yes, Carl sounds like a decent chap – but another tragedy.
“He was murdered in a stupid, botched burglary, … bad luck and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. No glory there, mate.” I don’t know enough about Rattray to say one way or the other. Do you?
A local WWII hero, Marion Eugene Carl, was shot in a home invasion while defending his wife. It’s what I would have expected of him…. I wouldn’t say he died for his country, but he sure died for his family. Would you agree?
You should look Carl up on wiki. He was quite the character.
He died in the sweep of his country violence is part of it
thuggery is part of any country, i am not typing that he died on the battlefield only that he was part of his countrys history, for good and bad, he was caught up in violence, which is part of his countrys history including brutality
enough is enough, the person who posted this video didnt want this to be a forum, the point is that he lived and died for one purpose, to explain the history of natal, thus had a firm identity of whohe was
Did I ever claim that I was? My point is that he didn’t die for Natal, and no one who knows him thinks that. What I do for a living (and by the way, he wasn’t a professor either) is entirely irrelevant. The point is that to claim he died for a cause is rubbish. He was murdered in cold blood in his own home. (By the way, speaking of education, your spelling is awful – it’s “were you” not “where you” and “think” not “thinx”.
But how did he “die for his country”??? He was murdered, in a totally freak and accidental attack. There is no way that this is dying for his country!! It simply doesn’t make sense. If someone kills me tonight in a freak attack, when I very keen on living, am I dying for my country somehow?? Weird logic. I simply don’t understand your point. He didn’t die for any cause – he was murdered, which could (and does) happen to anyone in S. Africa.
219970
its youtube, get over yourself, mate
so you xnew him,
SO WHAT WHOPPEE DO
at least the history that he explained is out there
and his name is synonymous with it, not yours or I
save the lectures for the classroom, or where you a distinguished professor such as Rattray, i dont thinx so
219970
whether you xnew him or not, does not give you some sort of self righteous anger to define his life
he died for his country and he was the best representative of its most historic province, NATAL
if you feel bad for your own loss, so be it, but he is part of the history that he narrated and he himself was the expert not you or I
The Zulus were indeed an imperialist nation, who had, as you say, dominated other rival tribes. However, in the particular context of the 1879 war, the conflict was largely provoked by Britain – even the cassus beli was a bit of a fabrication. Totally spot on with your remarks re. slavery. At a moral level, one has to judge the C19 by its own standards and also deal with the black on black/arab on arab slavery that existed for years. The sad fact is that the strong will always exploit the weak
What do you mean when you say David died “for Natal”? He wasn’t fighting for anything. He didn’t make any conscious decision “die for Natal” in a battle. He was murdered in a stupid, botched burglary, that was all about bad luck and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. No glory there, mate. Don’t confuse heroic stands at Isandlwana with this man’s wasteful death. I knew David, having spent many hours over the last 20 years at the lodge, and what you say simply doesn’t reflect the truth.
tariq – your mouth betrays you… it (and you) are no longer welcome with such words.
Thank you For replying; You’re very eloquent.
Cheers!
Valkyrie Ziege Mourne
thats a dam lie. if the numbers were even, with the same weapons, the british would have been destroyed rather easily
shut your mouth bitch
yes indeed…
Thank You For Posting; Right, sort this one out; the Africans, Asians, India, and the Middle East beat, and terrorized British colonialists out of their home-lands, to gain ‘home-rule’, only to desert their ‘home-rule-home-lands’, to then invade the entire archipelago of Britain, to terrorize, beat-up, and rape the people they despise, the British people. Africans, Asians, India, and the Middle East is Hypocrites.
Cheers!
Valkyrie Ziege Mourne
Its amazing how a tribal culture could defeat the greatest nation in the world in a battle.
Zulus won the battle but were annihilated in the end. Ultimately, good men on both sides died – as is in all wars.
spear chuckers…
Don’t need to go to Africa to se that kind of thing. Did you go to New Orleans, during/after the hurricane? There’s a sub-class in the USA too.
“Change in what way? Bad?” Hopefully NOT! Even as a lad I’d traveled about, seen the good and the bad. But going to Africa made me see things … differently. It changed how I saw my place in the world, I guess. You can say it was just me being an American teenager in a war zone in a country where only a minority had a vote. But I’ve heard others say Africa changed them, too.
Powerful experience? Oh my, yes.
Why is that a “but”? Change in what way? Bad?
I have never been to Africa – but Isandlwana, in particular, will, I imagine, be a very powerful experience
“Anyhow, have you ever been to Isandlwana?” I’ve never been to South Arica. I lived in (what was then) Rhodesia for a short time, but never traveled south. I would love to tour the old battlefields. Some day, perhaps. But you can not visit Africa without it changing you.
Agreed. Anyhow, have you ever been to Isandlwana? I have not. I would love to go, but need to save up first!
Please explain how he died for his country
“Carl sounds like a decent chap – but another tragedy.” Back in ’95, I attended a dinner with Carl, Rex T. Barber (another name to look up) and 4 other Oregon aces — how lucky is that for a history geek? I asked Carl what made a hero. He said a hero was just someone who was where he was supposed to be with his guns loaded. That was why I thought of him when you said “wrong place, wrong time.”
There’s a difference between protecting your house and family and leaving both for your country, yes?
Hello.
The poster annoyed me because he tried to romanticise a botched break-in that lead to a murder as somehow “dying for Natal” as if this kind man willingly laid down his life for his country. Yes, no doubt he was protecting his family, which is noble and understandable. But that’s very different from an intangible “dying for Natal”. Yes, Carl sounds like a decent chap – but another tragedy.
“He was murdered in a stupid, botched burglary, … bad luck and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. No glory there, mate.” I don’t know enough about Rattray to say one way or the other. Do you?
A local WWII hero, Marion Eugene Carl, was shot in a home invasion while defending his wife. It’s what I would have expected of him…. I wouldn’t say he died for his country, but he sure died for his family. Would you agree?
You should look Carl up on wiki. He was quite the character.
He died in the sweep of his country violence is part of it
thuggery is part of any country, i am not typing that he died on the battlefield only that he was part of his countrys history, for good and bad, he was caught up in violence, which is part of his countrys history including brutality
enough is enough, the person who posted this video didnt want this to be a forum, the point is that he lived and died for one purpose, to explain the history of natal, thus had a firm identity of whohe was
Did I ever claim that I was? My point is that he didn’t die for Natal, and no one who knows him thinks that. What I do for a living (and by the way, he wasn’t a professor either) is entirely irrelevant. The point is that to claim he died for a cause is rubbish. He was murdered in cold blood in his own home. (By the way, speaking of education, your spelling is awful – it’s “were you” not “where you” and “think” not “thinx”.
But how did he “die for his country”??? He was murdered, in a totally freak and accidental attack. There is no way that this is dying for his country!! It simply doesn’t make sense. If someone kills me tonight in a freak attack, when I very keen on living, am I dying for my country somehow?? Weird logic. I simply don’t understand your point. He didn’t die for any cause – he was murdered, which could (and does) happen to anyone in S. Africa.
219970
its youtube, get over yourself, mate
so you xnew him,
SO WHAT WHOPPEE DO
at least the history that he explained is out there
and his name is synonymous with it, not yours or I
save the lectures for the classroom, or where you a distinguished professor such as Rattray, i dont thinx so
219970
whether you xnew him or not, does not give you some sort of self righteous anger to define his life
he died for his country and he was the best representative of its most historic province, NATAL
if you feel bad for your own loss, so be it, but he is part of the history that he narrated and he himself was the expert not you or I
The Zulus were indeed an imperialist nation, who had, as you say, dominated other rival tribes. However, in the particular context of the 1879 war, the conflict was largely provoked by Britain – even the cassus beli was a bit of a fabrication. Totally spot on with your remarks re. slavery. At a moral level, one has to judge the C19 by its own standards and also deal with the black on black/arab on arab slavery that existed for years. The sad fact is that the strong will always exploit the weak
What do you mean when you say David died “for Natal”? He wasn’t fighting for anything. He didn’t make any conscious decision “die for Natal” in a battle. He was murdered in a stupid, botched burglary, that was all about bad luck and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. No glory there, mate. Don’t confuse heroic stands at Isandlwana with this man’s wasteful death. I knew David, having spent many hours over the last 20 years at the lodge, and what you say simply doesn’t reflect the truth.